Not looking good for Trump

[David]

And again - I could be wrong....but the likelihood of Trump doing anything other than run in 2024 is getting pretty slim.

Bob, you don't understand. If Trump doesn't take care of the issue right now, there will never be another free election in this country.

[Bob]

No Dave, I completely understand. Now you ALMOST get it. You took the red pill. Now open your eyes and see free elections were an illusion quite a while ago. You are so close!

And the Repubs will not have him as a Candidate if he does run. Not that it has mattered for the past 20 years. Pretty much the Bush/Clinton coalition.

[David]

No Bob, you still don't understand. If Trump doesn't get this taken care of now, at this point in our history, the USA will cease to exist as a Constitutional Republic. You're still thinking in terms of red and blue. Trump, although using a red label is cleaning house on both sides.

[Bob]

No Dave - you are still thinking in terms of a Constitutional republic. We haven't operated that way for real for a long time. Those are shiny happy labels we cling to that we learned as children. When you take off the "want to be" glasses" you see things how they really are The greatest achievement of Trump is that he showed it to you with the curtain pulled back.

And now the "people" have and are speaking - We have seen it, and we don't care. We want plugged back into the Matrix and to go get a Latte"

You are hanging on to this country operating as a constitutional republic when it has been on a run towards tyranny with a constitution that means nothing and a Federal peter grab since 1913.

For example:

Reagan-Bush I
Reagan-Bush I
Bush I
Clinton(s)
Bush II
Bush II
Obama-Biden w/ a Clinton top advisor
Obama-Bidenw/ a Clinton top advisor
Trump (Against a Clinton, stole race from Bush III)
Biden

What I see is Oligarch backed lackeys agreed upon by the ruling parties that are in collaboration trading terms for the most part to allow the proletariate to believe they are in charge, while maintaining the bloodline and influence.

That list of leaders in a, what did you call it? Constitutional Republic? Hahaha - Don't think so.

Iran Wars?
Afghanistan?
Patriot Act?
Affordable Care Act?

These are not the actions of a Constitutional Republic. An Autocracy/Oligarchy/Fascist nation of some sort has to do those things. I understand Dave - I BLIEVE In what this country should and could be.

But I'm not going to delude myself about what it really is because of a title. And that is why I prep, among other reasons.

[David]

What do you think Trump has been fighting for Bob? To reclaim the Republic. If you haven't noticed, he goes after red and blue equally when they aren't doing what they were elected or appointed to do for the people. To get us out of the 'endless wars'. To get us out of the central bank con game. Drain the swamp just isn't a catchy campaign slogan.

[aerynsun]

. If you haven't noticed, he goes after red and blue equally when they aren't doing what they were elected or appointed to do for the people.

And that is why he got hit by both sides.

The dems are going to go after him after he is out, to scare others like him. Don't screw with us because we will grind you into the dust.

[David]

And that's okay, he planned on getting hit by both sides. You can't expose people by hiding, you expose them by trapping them and to do that you have to be actively setting the trap and seeing who is who.

[Bob]

What do you think Trump has been fighting for Bob? To reclaim the Republic. If you haven't noticed, he goes after red and blue equally when they aren't doing what they were elected or appointed to do for the people. To get us out of the 'endless wars'. To get us out of the central bank con game. Drain the swamp just isn't a catchy campaign slogan.

The same thing he has always been fighting Dave - his own ego.

"I'm going to war with Vegas and win! Bet on me!!!" He lost
"I'm going to war with the NFL. Watch me make a touchdown!!!" USFL was sacked in th end Zone for a Safety
"I'm going to war with reality TV!!!" He got fired
"I'm going to war with the Government. Vote for me - a The Reform Party Candidate!!!" He got his @$$ handed to him, and dropped.

I grew up around him Dave. I'm not saying he isn't a sharp guy. He definitely has some different thoughts on things. Thoughts no politician would have, and that's a good thing. Some of the time. But he is also pretty full of himself, and got in wayyyy over his TV ratings, and his business Savvy.

I get it everyone wants to believe what he said and sort of stood for. Here is what he wanted and what really happened:

1. Early, he wanted to buy Oil from Russia and Brazil, drop the Mid East like a hot rock. GREAT idea!!!! Repubs sat him down, explained that Russia has to be the boogey man, and that war is good for the economy. So we are still not friends with Russia, and we are still in a lot of wars that we are not getting out of. Because too many have too much $$$ on the line. Yeah, he's the POTUS, and him and the Repubs have to have a sort of Truce. Sort of. Sometimes. And now you see the truce is over and they will not acknowledge him. Because they hate him. Because he is a crappy Leader. Great media bite character, amazing negotiator....but not so much a Leader when he has to win the hearts of people who hate him.
- Hey; I think this was brilliant! Except I'm not the Decider. Boeing, BAE, Crye, and a lot of others are.

2. He did not go after as many Red as Blue. In fact - the Red let the Blue run him ragged for four years. Why? Because he wasn't one of them. Trump thought he could walk in, and take over their party. Nope. He could win a nomination because they really had no choice other than to do a party over-rule like the Dems. Red crowd wouldn't have stood for that. He had the momentum to beat Hilary, they rode the wave. But that's all.
- If he had any sense - he SHOULD have called out people by name, often, and clearly and loudly on TV. He did have the disposal of some heavy hitters to do that. After a while though it became very clear no one was going to Jail. I told you that. And right now, four years later, you can't find one person in a cell, regardless of how heinous their crimes.

3. He thought he could put a wall up. Reality: Republicans and Democrats WANT illegal immigration because the US does ONE thing consistently with immigration: we let people in when we need to get citizens for Tax dollars. And Congress could care less about what the American people want in that regard because they don't pay enough taxes to keep the war machine rolling! See #1 above. Oh yeah...social security...that too. I'm not even going to go into the economics of immigration. when you have Trillions in debt, you'll do stuff like let MS13 in, as long as you can tax them eventually.

4. He ran a revolving door of advisors and cabinet members which greatly impeded his ability to get things done. Why? well, number one the POTUS isn't a CEO wielding King-like powers. He was too ignorant to know who to listen to, and too egotistical to listen when they told him things he didn't like. For as much good as he did - he brought a LOT of pain on himself. In fact, I'll go so far as to say had he been able to "act right" and speak in public before shooting off his mouth, he would have got a lot more done. But he was already going to spend 25% of his time fighting Democrats, and his own mouth gave them another 25% for free, and then lack luster support from everyone else.

5. He completely underestimated the impact of a completely biased Media. Human beings are weak minded. The believe what they heard last, what they heard most, what they heard the loudest. He went up against EVERY media outlet except Fox. Now had he started a Media Empire first and then ran....maybe that will be next. He was able too use them against themselves to get in, where any publicity was good publicity. And then he didn't change at all (because he is who he is) and the media got his number. Suddenly no publicity was good publicity for him.

6. One of my favorites - he pissed of the intelligence agencies. You want to talk about the deep state? Making enemies in the FBI, CIA, and NSA is a bad move period.

So, I'm sure you will write all of that off Dave - because you believe he was the Orange Crusader. But I think Trumps history shows he is a pretty successful at two things: #1 taking on some heavy hitters and getting early wins, and #2 getting beat in the end.

I'm not saying I did not agree with quite a number of things he did. I'm not saying he did not impress me with a lot of moves that really made a lot of non-traditional sense. I think his Korean play was brilliant. (Again - another "boogie man" that you need to not touch! Even you believe that. Trump gets that it is a kid who inherited a jacked up community and had to avoid being beheaded by the people or assassinated by the old guard.) But again...."America" could care less. They want a sword rattle starter. He brokered a lot of peace deals that we will likely not see come to fruition. Why not? A military Empire needs strife.

Everything I put above are serious, objective, legitimate criticisms of how he ran his White House. And all of them contributed to him being barely able to hold on to it. And what you see now, is that at best, the election had some sleepy dealings by left fanatics and he lost anyway. At worst, and I think this is really what we see - both the left and the right are in cahoots and are supporting each other. Blue - "We are gonna load up the ballots in key states" Red "Great - anything to get him out. We won't see anything."

And that is your government, as it has been for quite a while. The only thing he did was tear the curtain and make it obvious. And the entire country is for the most part going "Anything...I need a rest. Lets go back to the old way."

There is a difference between what could be, what should be, and what is. It is very easy to translate him into what should and could be. But what actually happens is what is.

I have been saying here for years - you attack the liberals, but not the conservatives. That is the same as Democrat and Republican. Well Dave, as in the Matrix, you see that they are both just robots and you are a battery. except this isn't a movie, and Trump isn't Neo.

Too bad - I like a lot of things he did. And I called him to win because being a sensible person I thought the Blue stuff was soooo over the top. I was wrong.

[Bob]

. If you haven't noticed, he goes after red and blue equally when they aren't doing what they were elected or appointed to do for the people.

And that is why he got hit by both sides.

The dems are going to go after him after he is out, to scare others like him. Don't screw with us because we will grind you into the dust.

And the Republicans will support that. Because the Oligarchs in Tech and Banks do not want anyone effing with their livelihood the way he did. I have not been confused for a long long time that they were in charge. This is a Neo Fascist nation, where the Production people control the government, unlike classical Fascism where the government controlled production.

That pain Dave feels is cognitive dissonance. He still wants to believe that isn't so. And now he sees how bad it really is. So he has to cling to imaginary ropes or admit the great freedom experiment is over. I think it will 12-20 moves before check mate. But the game is over.

I still say this slows the game. Four more years of Trump would have lead to swelling Democrat Victory with a real Candidate. That would have been real bad...

[Bob]

No Bob, you still don't understand. If Trump doesn't get this taken care of now, at this point in our history, the USA will cease to exist as a Constitutional Republic. You're still thinking in terms of red and blue. Trump, although using a red label is cleaning house on both sides.

So Dave - since America has ceased to exist now, what is your move? How do you play this?


I maintain - the "people" (not We The People" who have been putting in a few members of the club tight to their purposes had a Fly in the ointment. Now they swatted the fly and the grand scheme is going forward.

I KNOW you don't believe that - and you are going to say it isn't over. But...let's say it is. What then?