Lessons from Ukraine

[aerynsun]

Watching the news coverage of the Ukraine war I've noticed a few simple things people are missing:

1 - A small wheeled cart. I've seen people carrying things and at the same time pulling a milk crate behind them with stuff in it.

2. Backpacks - some children had their; probably for books but the adults did not.

3. Sturdy shoes - many city folks I guess.

What didn't you see?

[Bob]

Now THIS is an S&P topic with some teeth!!!

GREAT observations Aery!!!!

1. I do not have one of these - but that is a fantastic prep idea. MAybe start a thread in the gear section. I'll have a dolly for my band gear - but that isn't ideal. I Used to have a kid carrier for my bike that would have been excellent.

2. I have two very serious adult back packs, a large military ruck bag, and multiple other gym bags etc.

3. My main woods shoes, multiple pairs of cross-train type sneakers. And in Florida - Snake Boots!

[Bmyers]

We have to folding carts that can carry (according to the sticker) 150lbs. We use them when we go to IDPA matches and it carries cooler, chair, range supplies, etc. So, we have the cart issue covered. Plus, we have an outdoor wagon that is rated at 250lbs that would work well for transporting items also.

As Bob stated, we also have three adult backpacks that we spent some money getting and have them loaded (one in each vehicle) that we could utilize.

We also have a mesh vest that fits over the dog with pockets on each side to allow the dog to carry his own food.

[Mac66]

Ukraine is small country (smaller than the state of Texas) and a completely different (peasant) culture than in the US. I can't imagine people bugging out on foot in the US and/or using a wagon or cart to do so.

[aerynsun]

Ukraine is small country (smaller than the state of Texas) and a completely different (peasant) culture than in the US. I can't imagine people bugging out on foot in the US and/or using a wagon or cart to do so.

Can you imagine your city/town/home bombed and you have to go someplace for food and shelter?

[Mac66]

Ukraine is small country (smaller than the state of Texas) and a completely different (peasant) culture than in the US. I can't imagine people bugging out on foot in the US and/or using a wagon or cart to do so.

Can you imagine your city/town/home bombed and you have to go someplace for food and shelter?

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

[David]

Ukraine is small country (smaller than the state of Texas) and a completely different (peasant) culture than in the US. I can't imagine people bugging out on foot in the US and/or using a wagon or cart to do so.

Can you imagine your city/town/home bombed and you have to go someplace for food and shelter?

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Agreed. States have mutual aid pacts with each other, normally storm and natural disaster related. In order for other states to not be able to send aid, the whole country would have to be affected. While possible, not probable. And if the whole country is having an issue...where would people bug out to?

[aerynsun]

Ukraine is small country (smaller than the state of Texas) and a completely different (peasant) culture than in the US. I can't imagine people bugging out on foot in the US and/or using a wagon or cart to do so.

Can you imagine your city/town/home bombed and you have to go someplace for food and shelter?

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Imagination:
"1 : the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality. 2a : creative ability. b : ability to confront and deal with a problem : resourcefulness use your imagination and get us out of here."

You are not a prepper and probably lack the ability to be a good one. Sorry to have to tell you that.

[aerynsun]

Can you imagine your city/town/home bombed and you have to go someplace for food and shelter?

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Agreed. States have mutual aid pacts with each other, normally storm and natural disaster related. In order for other states to not be able to send aid, the whole country would have to be affected. While possible, not probable. And if the whole country is having an issue...where would people bug out to?

Not correct - in the USA people's cities and towns are hit by hurricanes and floods and must leave their homes. The issue being discussed is not if people help each other it is where the help is. Eventually, the help may come to the city BUT in the Ukraine people are going to the help.

[Mac66]

Can you imagine your city/town/home bombed and you have to go someplace for food and shelter?

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Imagination:
"1 : the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality. 2a : creative ability. b : ability to confront and deal with a problem : resourcefulness use your imagination and get us out of here."

You are not a prepper and probably lack the ability to be a good one. Sorry to have to tell you that.

In regard to imagination, I imagine I would take my truck, car, motorcycle, ATV, Tractor, minibike, bicycle...in that order before I start hoofing it on foot in a catastrophe.

But, you're probably right, Been prepping for 47 years and I still suck at it