His information on the guns is sound. His opinion on loud being good is stupid. Aside from that it's a decent video for newer shooters.
Re: Is this guy an idiot?
Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:05 pm
by David
His point on being loud, the way I took it, was so that neighbors would know there is an issue and call the Calvary. Not that loud was a good thing in and of itself.
Normally I would think an AR is a better choice if your home was in a more rural setting. But his reasoning is sound from the factors he listed.
I know from an ease perspective, my wife has an easier time with a 9mm PCC than an 9mm pistol. This is subjective and will differ from person to person.
Bob, what were the specific points you disagreed with?
Re: Is this guy an idiot?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:54 am
by tom mac
AR in my setting prob not so good as neighboring houses can be 40ft away.... 1/3 to 1/2 ac plots.
I always lean to my 12g 870 shotgun and backup pistol
Re: Is this guy an idiot?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:13 am
by Ronin.45
Tom, he mentions briefly in the video that 5.56 bullets tend to break up when they hit solid surfaces. They will usually penetrate less than typical handgun rounds through barriers like drywall. Good defensive rounds will obviously stop even better than FMJ and that goes for handguns as well.
Dave, I got his thinking on loud being an alert for his neighbors, but it's a really minimal benefit for the tremendous increase in muzzle blast and noise. Especially when he's recommending an SBR or AR pistol. It would be like lighting off a flashbang with every pull of the trigger. The disorientation would be almost as bad for the shooter as the shootee. Not to mention the increase in permanent hearing damage. If you are already engaged in an active gunfight in your house, police response time is unimportant. You either handle it on your own or they pick up your body in the morning. The neighbors somehow being alerted and calling the cops will just get the reports started sooner. Whether the reports include your statement or not depends entirely on you killing or scaring away the intruders. The cops are not going to be there in time to help. I know not everyone has a suppressor, but taking it off for HD is a stupid choice.
Re: Is this guy an idiot?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:26 am
by David
Ronin.45 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:13 am
Tom, he mentions briefly in the video that 5.56 bullets tend to break up when they hit solid surfaces. They will usually penetrate less than typical handgun rounds through barriers like drywall. Good defensive rounds will obviously stop even better than FMJ and that goes for handguns as well.
Dave, I got his thinking on loud being an alert for his neighbors, but it's a really minimal benefit for the tremendous increase in muzzle blast and noise. Especially when he's recommending an SBR or AR pistol. It would be like lighting off a flashbang with every pull of the trigger. The disorientation would be almost as bad for the shooter as the shootee. Not to mention the increase in permanent hearing damage. If you are already engaged in an active gunfight in your house, police response time is unimportant. You either handle it on your own or they pick up your body in the morning. The neighbors somehow being alerted and calling the cops will just get the reports started sooner. Whether the reports include your statement or not depends entirely on you killing or scaring away the intruders. The cops are not going to be there in time to help. I know not everyone has a suppressor, but taking it off for HD is a stupid choice.
I understand and agree with you on the loud thing. I was just commenting on what I thought he was trying to convey. Unless you're rural the neighbors are going to hear pistol/PCC shots well enough as it is.
I understand his points in the video, however, for new shooters I think it would be a LOT easier picking up a revolver/pistol in terms of operation rather than an AR.
And the charts don't show the concussion. My bedside gun is suppressed because I don't want to hurt myself while trying to keep an intruder from hurting me
Re: Is this guy an idiot?
Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:25 pm
by Bob
It just sounded to me like he was an AR salesman.
When you are part of fire team clearing a house, yeah...go with your AR.
Otherwise it is a crappy choice for HD in my opinion. I think many many of his points were highly debatable. You can work all the controls an AR but not pump a shotgun? You can, however, handle the blast from 8 shots from an AR pistol and the flash in the dark. AR rounds break up on drywall? He's an idiot.
I call that dude has never killed an actual animal in his life. He's a trained trainer.
