Lessons from Ukraine

[David]

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Agreed. States have mutual aid pacts with each other, normally storm and natural disaster related. In order for other states to not be able to send aid, the whole country would have to be affected. While possible, not probable. And if the whole country is having an issue...where would people bug out to?

Not correct - in the USA people's cities and towns are hit by hurricanes and floods and must leave their homes. The issue being discussed is not if people help each other it is where the help is. Eventually, the help may come to the city BUT in the Ukraine people are going to the help.

But you don't see them traveling the countryside or filling up the roadways on foot. Relief comes in, even with temp shelters if necessary.

[David]

You are not a prepper and probably lack the ability to be a good one. Sorry to have to tell you that.

There really isn't a need for that kind of tone, even in disagreement. Everyone here is a prepper to some degree. Some prioritize differently than others, but none of it's wrong.

[aerynsun]

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Agreed. States have mutual aid pacts with each other, normally storm and natural disaster related. In order for other states to not be able to send aid, the whole country would have to be affected. While possible, not probable. And if the whole country is having an issue...where would people bug out to?

Not correct - in the USA people's cities and towns are hit by hurricanes and floods and must leave their homes. The issue being discussed is not if people help each other it is where the help is. Eventually, the help may come to the city BUT in the Ukraine people are going to the help.

That's what I said.

[aerynsun]

You are not a prepper and probably lack the ability to be a good one. Sorry to have to tell you that.

There really isn't a need for that kind of tone, even in disagreement. Everyone here is a prepper to some degree. Some prioritize differently than others, but none of it's wrong.

Tone is subjective interpretation. My interpretation is that I was being kind to him and being helpful.

How could I have written it to change your interpretation of the tone?

[aerynsun]

Unlike Europe, the chances of a US state being bombed is pretty slim. Any problem we are likely to encounter would be local or regional and help would pour in from surrounding states. So, no I can't imagine it.

Imagination:
"1 : the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality. 2a : creative ability. b : ability to confront and deal with a problem : resourcefulness use your imagination and get us out of here."

You are not a prepper and probably lack the ability to be a good one. Sorry to have to tell you that.

In regard to imagination, I imagine I would take my truck, car, motorcycle, ATV, Tractor, minibike, bicycle...in that order before I start hoofing it on foot in a catastrophe.

But, you're probably right, Been prepping for 47 years and I still suck at it

Not the question here about what you would have taken - see the original post.

But since you went there, why not imagine a helicopter, plane or underground rail road?

[David]

Tone is subjective interpretation.

Yes, it is subjective. But it isn't exactly a stretch to interpret your comment as being on the less friendly side. To state that, in your opinion, based on a disagreement in viewpoint, that someone isn't a prepper or lacks the ability to be a good one, is a bit condescending. It isn't kind nor helpful in any way. I'm simply pointing that out so the discussion remains civil and productive.

[Bob]

We have to folding carts that can carry (according to the sticker) 150lbs. We use them when we go to IDPA matches and it carries cooler, chair, range supplies, etc. So, we have the cart issue covered. Plus, we have an outdoor wagon that is rated at 250lbs that would work well for transporting items also.

See, I don't think those are the ideal tools.

Large thin wheels and lighter travel might be key. Do you have pics? HAve to figure that as always, weight counts! And that you'll need to travel over rough terrain. Wheels for yards/grass would be no bueno....

[Bob]

Dang - who would have thought this was a divisive issue!

I can easily imagine situations where bridges are down, roads are clogged, earthquake, etc, where a car would not work. That said...

#1 My car/Trailer is tip top
#2 Lose the trailer
#3 If the car stops......Bike?

But now I am on a Bike with a Back pack, not optimal.

A wheeled trailer that I could carry gear - using bike or body would expand my capabilities extensively

And - a cart like Bmeyes is discussing might work well as a useful day to day tool on days when bugging out is not priotity one.

Aery - remember, everyones situations vary. YOUR prepping might be perfect for you, but terrible for me. Example I have ZERO need for cold weather preps. They do have good points about the nature of disaster response in the US, and I have to agree. Here, the cart is a nice to have - not a need to have. Unfortunately it is ran by our greatest threat .Gov.....but that discussion goes in politics - not here.

[bdcochran]

I would take my truck, car, motorcycle, ATV, Tractor, minibike, bicycle...in that order.

Yes, good to have a series of priorities.
1. I live in a metro area where the population density can easily reach 30,000 to the square mile.
2. If there are traffic jams, no lights, glass on the streets, the priorities are reversed, with transients with supermarket carts being kings. I have the bike with the attached game carrier, fixed dolly and a fold up flat dolly. I have the backpacks, however, it has been 50 years since I was in the US
army carrying a pack.
3. Years ago, I did some optics with a young big game guide who had a wife and preschooler and lived rural. He was going to stay put and rely upon his motorcycle. He was an excellent motorcyclist. I simply asked him how long his gasoline would last and what he was going to do when it ran out = so you have to think of modes of transportation wearing out and/or eventually failing.

[Bmyers]

We have to folding carts that can carry (according to the sticker) 150lbs. We use them when we go to IDPA matches and it carries cooler, chair, range supplies, etc. So, we have the cart issue covered. Plus, we have an outdoor wagon that is rated at 250lbs that would work well for transporting items also.

See, I don't think those are the ideal tools.

Large thin wheels and lighter travel might be key. Do you have pics? HAve to figure that as always, weight counts! And that you'll need to travel over rough terrain. Wheels for yards/grass would be no bueno....

You are correct, going off road with the two wagons we have for IDPA would be difficult. They work fine on gravel and flat grass, but rough surface or mud would bring it to a stop. Yet, they both fold up. Watching videos from Ukraine, I could see them being useful on the road/pathways, unloaded and items carried across the obstacle and then set back up and used again. It would require multiple trips across an obstacle and if it was a one trip only, that is where the backpack would be the only option left.

For off-road, the outdoor wagon that has large tires on it would be the wagon of choice. Yet, it is heavier, doesn't fold, but rolls well across multiple surfaces.