Poll: What do you regularly EDC?
Bic (or other disposeable lighter)
Zippo
Both
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Bic or Zippo?
#41
Did you replace it with another orange Zippo?
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Governmental dependance makes for poor self reliance.

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#43
I don't carry a fire starter.  I have various ways of starting a fire which I keep in the car and at home.  I no longer go for strolls far from either, so I don't carry.

I will now address zippo lighters.  I have them in a snap ware container in the garage with extra flints and a couple of cans of lighter fluid.  At one time, I kept filled lighters, but the liquid eventually evaporates in a zippo if not used.  I researched on google.  The fluid is good past my lifetime if kept in the original bulk fluid container.  So, I  bought another bulk container on sale at the supermarket for under $2 last week.
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#44
I'm that's good to know about the shelf life.  I would imagine that Naptha would be the same.
Governmental dependance makes for poor self reliance.

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Governmental dependance makes for poor self reliance.

"What could possibly go wrong with a duct tape boat?"  Cody Lundin

The best defense against evil men are good men with violent skill sets.
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#46
Thank you David. Without knocking the video, I would like to give a response with an explanation.

Years ago, I faced the same dilemma. Supposedly, Bic was putting out non-refillable lighters. Over time, the fluid would usually evaporate. So, I chose easily refillable Zippos and bought a bunch. Although the fluid also evaporates over time in a Zippo, I have unopened refill containers of fluid. I also picked up a number of magnesium related starter systems and placed them in strategic locations.

Now I fast forward to 2018. I see this video and then I wonder if a Bic lighter can be refilled. I look on youtube and see how.

My responses. 1. I don't carry a char cloth in my car, in a backpack. I will not allow myself to get into a situation wherein I must conserve a Bic lighter or refill the same. I will have alternatives. 2. There is a value in learning refill skills of transferring propane from a large container to a smaller container. You have to be careful because most of the youtube videos are incorrect or require conditions of cold which require electrical power access or a cold weather environment. And, many of those videos do not describe the procedure for making sure that a smaller container is never overfilled. I have the required set up and tools for that effort. 3. When a person watches many of the survival videos, only part of the picture is revealed. Examples follow.

Many of the American Indians were sedentary. They weren't riding horses all around (brought by the Spanish) and moving from place to place and building a new fire drill and starting over again. When they moved, they carried the fire with them. A person had a responsibility to the group to keep a banked fire going when goods were being moved by dogs dragging household goods.

"Modern approach". Go to the dryer. The dust balls are very dangerous because they are combustible. They cause fires when a spark hits them and are a leading cause of house fires. Pull a small ball in a sealable plastic baggie with a very cheap Red Chinese magnesium fire starter piece of metal and magnesium. Problem solved with less weight and more reliability.

Ok. So assume that I watch the video on how to refill a Bic lighter. I need to practice. I need special tools. I still need to have the fluid (like I have to have with my zippos). All this assumes that I have the TIME after shtf. One of the important things overlooked in videos is time allocation and the learning curve. You, as probably the only person in the survival group with skills, are you going to making homemade gunpowder, reloading, refilling a Bic lighter? Of course not.
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#47
I put it out there as an option.  I remember Cody Lundin taking a dried up Bic and slowly rotating the wheel to get the flint dust to collect.  Kind of like you'd do with magnesium when you shave it.  Once he got a small amount he used the spark from the Bic to ignite the flint dust to then light the tinder bundle.  Just shows the options that are available in a pinch.

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