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Social unrest or worse?
#11
Freedom leads to the accumulation of wealth, leads to greed and poverty, leads to revolution, leads to socialism, leads to totalitarianism, leads to poverty, leads to revolution, leads back to freedom.


Lather, rinse and repeat. You are on the slide to socialism.

The Nazi comparison is pathetic and laughable, from their perspective.

The people saying Trump is a Nazi are idiots. (not that idiots are harmless, but mostly...).

Nazi finds Jew at Border: shoots them in the head, collects valuables.

ICE finds person at border: Give water, take to internment camp to be detained, evaluates situation, matriculates into country, or returns to nation of origin. Is provided with food, shelter, medical care, and is protected.

Ironic how the liberal is so offended at others culturally appropriating things, yet have no concern for the cultural appropriation of the reality of the holocaust and how it might hurt Jews feelings. But man - name a baseball team the "Braves" and holy hell you are a Nazi....

(06-26-2018, 10:19 AM)bmyers Wrote: I have always wondered why the United States wasn't mentioned in the Bible and how our country would stand by and let Israel be attacked in the final days.

In recent times, I'm understanding that the reason we don't intervene is that we may no longer exist as we have over the last 200 years. With the great division that is going on in this country, there is the realistic possibility that the country could break apart into sections that are more politically aligned.

Because maybe America has nothing to do with it....and perhaps it is not the final days.

One of the fascinating things about humans is that they tend to make it "All about them" whoever they may be, wherever they may be, and whenever they may be.

Everyone has believed they are living in the end times since the beginning of time.  Every year, someone who is one of the most devout, clear thinking, purest of intention, well studied people, who believes that, dies.  Someone like that died yesterday, is dying today, and will die tomorrow.  And that has been happening for thousands of years.  

But as you all know, those of us here now having that discussion, know better than they did, that they clearly were mis-interpreting things, and didn't see the signs, and interpret the prophecies as clearly as we do.  

So, naturally, we are right, whereas all of the others before us were wrong.

Option a) Delude yourself into thinking that the end of the world is nigh upon us, because you are more all-knowing than anyone else who has ever lived.
Option b) Consider that everyone else up to now who just like you, and maybe more so, was wrong, and that you may be too.


I am simply going to say that I have no idea.

If God has told you anything, it is that human pride offs up our ability to think clearly.  And thinking one is special is oh so prideful....
Which is why people are surprised when they they live on an active Volcano island that it explodes and destroys their homes.

But its a lot of time and energy invested in things that neither help you nor others.  You know - like North Korean Nukes?

Remember that?  By the way - if you haven't heard, Russia has dropped the cash on a train all the way through North Korea to South Korea.  You know why?  They never were any nukes, they never was going to be a nuke attack, all they want is to get their country normalized with the rest of the world, because trade = survival.  Anything else = death, from their own people, and from others.

There is not going to be any civil war.  There will quietly be an erosion of your freedom and rights, in the name of comfort and safety. Then that will all go wrong and we'll start all over.

Unless the four horsemen show up.  which you have no idea when that will come just like all of the others before you....


So make your life better.  Make others lives better.  And stop digesting the hate mongering fear merchants on TV.
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#12
Interesting how you make your statement that no one knows what is going to happen then make a bold statement:

"There is not going to be any civil war. There will quietly be an erosion of your freedom and rights, in the name of comfort and safety. Then that will all go wrong and we'll start all over."

So, either you believe you know more than everyone or "Consider that everyone else up to now who just like you, and maybe more so, was wrong, and that you may be too."
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#13
Moderator hat.

Keep it civil folks,so far it is.Post away gents,just be polite.



I don't see the US hanging Israel otd,not in this admin.'08.
If you look like food,you will be eaten.


I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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#14
I believe we are already in a 'soft' civil war.  One look at the news will provide multiple indicators such as the attacks recently in places like Portland where Antifa showed up and attacked a Freedom rally (and in the process had their arses handed to them).  The civil war won't necessarily be a particular ethnic group vs. another.  Rather, it will be idealogical groups against each other i.e. Socialists against Americans.

Of interest:



Governmental dependance makes for poor self reliance.

"What could possibly go wrong with a duct tape boat?"  Cody Lundin

The best defense against evil men are good men with violent skill sets.
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#15
If you look at the history of Germany and the rise of the Nazi party, it was ideology vs ideology. Once one party came into power, they then used the power to further their ideas such as the 'Final Solution' plan.
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#16
http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_...ress.shtml

We tend to blame everybody and everything for the failures of this country. Truth be told, we ALL are to blame. WE the American people have dropped the ball. What danger could come from taking sides politically and not both knowing the Constitution ourselves but defending it ourselves?? One party has to be right, the other has to be wrong. Truth is both are wrong. But we hold to the one and despise the other. All the while, they're controlling us? How could this be that the men we know as the founding fathers of America knew these dangers and warned us? Unless they experienced it for themselves.

From the link above, we, not so much the government have been warned about the dangers of 2 political parties. We've allowed them to form. We've took sides and now we're being used against each other. While we at war with each other, they profit.

I've told people for years to be neither democrat nor republican but American. The American people just don't get it.
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(07-07-2018, 06:05 PM)bmyers Wrote: Interesting how you make your statement that no one knows what is going to happen then make a bold statement:

"There is not going to be any civil war.  There will quietly be an erosion of your freedom and rights, in the name of comfort and safety. Then that will all go wrong and we'll start all over."

So, either you believe you know more than everyone or "Consider that everyone else up to now who just like you, and maybe more so, was wrong, and that you may be too."

My point here is that almost all of the things we discuss, never come to pass - from the Biblical to the Natural.

We are disaster and doom junkies.  It's fun stuff!  But reality is historically much more mundane.  So whatever you (or anyone)  predicts as the current TEOTWAKI/Major SHTF, is actually much less likely than anyone thinks - my opinion.  Backed up by a lot of data/history.

So a US Civil war - which is pretty extreme, well, I'm calling that pretty unlikely.   To have a legitimate conversation about it, go and present an argument for all the reasons why it WON'T happen.  But we aren't doing that.  we are just pointing out things we don't like and suggesting that everyone else is likely to go to war for the same reasons.  

A more mundane reality is that most people don't care (As JR pointed out) we will quietly give up our freedom over a few decades.  There won't be any shots fired.  Or not until it is too late.  I'm Devil's advocating man....I too believe disaster is fun, sexy, and exhilarating.  So is revolution.  But seriously - look around.  No one cares, nor have they for a long time.  we have went so far astray from the constitution it means little/nothing these days.  And the people have been moving that way for 60 ears or more.

You guys talk like the government runs the government.  Anyone from another planet would tell you that you live in a neo-fascist regime where the government is ran by corporations for their own interests, and their role is creating a complacent, divided, and satisfied populace.  You couldn't find 100 people willing to take up arms against the left, the right, or another side.  There is more than enough reason to have done so since 1913.  Nothing ruins business like a war.  

  

And KIRI - if you are talking to me and there is some rule about not being able to disagree or post a differing opinion without people getting butt-hurt, let me know.  I'll find another survival board.  If you are talking to Bmeyers - still no need.  He made a good point.  You may have noticed I didn't go cry to mommy moderator.    I'll let you know when I'm offended or concerned.  If have concerned or alarmed you let me know - I'll turn the "heat" down.  I'll turn it all the way off.
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(07-08-2018, 07:55 PM)Bob Wrote: My point here is that almost all of the things we discuss, never come to pass - from the Biblical to the Natural.

I'm not quite sure I can agree with you on this one Bob.  Sure, we talk 'zombie' stuff from time to time.  Most of the time though it's the stuff that has and will go wrong that we discuss preparing for such as everything from snow storms to flat tire to home invasions.  Stuff that does happen all the time.  That's the natural stuff.  

The Biblical stuff is another discussion and both parties in that discussion would have to be well versed on the topic.  Biblical stuff has happened in our lifetime i.e. the rebirth of Israel as one huge example.  In the 'later days' that which is called good will be called evil and that which is evil will be called good is happening right now in our country and around the world.  Also scoffers in the last days has been happening since the early 1800's.  These are terms and phrases that those versed in Scripture are familiar with and can related to current events. 


Quote:So a US Civil war - which is pretty extreme, well, I'm calling that pretty unlikely.   To have a legitimate conversation about it, go and present an argument for all the reasons why it WON'T happen.  But we aren't doing that.  we are just pointing out things we don't like and suggesting that everyone else is likely to go to war for the same reasons.
 
Again I have to disagree with you.  A close look at current events demonstrates a lot of similarities with what has happened in countries that have gone Socialist/Communist.  The difference however is that those countries lost or never had gun rights.  We do of course.  Which the 'left' aka Socialists are fighting hard to abolish bit by bit.  Not an easy task thoug it's being attacked in many ways, on many fronts.  At some point in the history of those countries overcome by Socialism/Communism the other shoe dropped and there was an outright violent uprising/revolution/coupe.  That has started on a limited extent in this country already with violent 'demonstrations' around the country breaking out.  I put 'demonstrations' in quotes because they aren't really demonstrations despite that label being used by the MSM aka 'tool of the Socialist left'.  They are planned violent attacks on society by outside Socialist forces aka George Soros.
All of this respectfully submitted for consideration.
Governmental dependance makes for poor self reliance.

"What could possibly go wrong with a duct tape boat?"  Cody Lundin

The best defense against evil men are good men with violent skill sets.
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#19
(07-08-2018, 07:33 PM)JRSC Wrote: http://abundanthope.net/pages/Political_...ress.shtml

We tend to blame everybody and everything for the failures of this country. Truth be told, we ALL are to blame. WE the American people have dropped the ball. What danger could come from taking sides politically and not both knowing the Constitution ourselves but defending it ourselves?? One party has to be right, the other has to be wrong. Truth is both are wrong. But we hold to the one and despise the other. All the while, they're controlling us? How could this be that the men we know as the founding fathers of America knew these dangers and warned us? Unless they experienced it for themselves.

From the link above, we, not so much the government have been warned about the dangers of 2 political parties. We've allowed them to form. We've took sides and now we're being used against each other. While we at war with each other, they profit.

I've told people for years to be neither democrat nor republican but American. The American people just don't get it.

I have to agree the two party system is not the way it should be. In addition, the political offices were not designed to be career jobs, but a method of serving the country. Instead they have been turned into a job. We have created our own monarchy.

You are correct, the only ones to blame are the citizens. When you accept failure and dishonesty from your government, you are guilty right along with them.

(07-08-2018, 07:55 PM)Bob Wrote:
(07-07-2018, 06:05 PM)bmyers Wrote: Interesting how you make your statement that no one knows what is going to happen then make a bold statement:

"There is not going to be any civil war.  There will quietly be an erosion of your freedom and rights, in the name of comfort and safety. Then that will all go wrong and we'll start all over."

So, either you believe you know more than everyone or "Consider that everyone else up to now who just like you, and maybe more so, was wrong, and that you may be too."

My point here is that almost all of the things we discuss, never come to pass - from the Biblical to the Natural.

We are disaster and doom junkies.  It's fun stuff!  But reality is historically much more mundane.  So whatever you (or anyone)  predicts as the current TEOTWAKI/Major SHTF, is actually much less likely than anyone thinks - my opinion.  Backed up by a lot of data/history.

So a US Civil war - which is pretty extreme, well, I'm calling that pretty unlikely.   To have a legitimate conversation about it, go and present an argument for all the reasons why it WON'T happen.  But we aren't doing that.  we are just pointing out things we don't like and suggesting that everyone else is likely to go to war for the same reasons.  

A more mundane reality is that most people don't care (As JR pointed out) we will quietly give up our freedom over a few decades.  There won't be any shots fired.  Or not until it is too late.  I'm Devil's advocating man....I too believe disaster is fun, sexy, and exhilarating.  So is revolution.  But seriously - look around.  No one cares, nor have they for a long time.  we have went so far astray from the constitution it means little/nothing these days.  And the people have been moving that way for 60 ears or more.

You guys talk like the government runs the government.  Anyone from another planet would tell you that you live in a neo-fascist regime where the government is ran by corporations for their own interests, and their role is creating a complacent, divided, and satisfied populace.  You couldn't find 100 people willing to take up arms against the left, the right, or another side.  There is more than enough reason to have done so since 1913.  Nothing ruins business like a war.  

  

And KIRI - if you are talking to me and there is some rule about not being able to disagree or post a differing opinion without people getting butt-hurt, let me know.  I'll find another survival board.  If you are talking to Bmeyers - still no need.  He made a good point.  You may have noticed I didn't go cry to mommy moderator.    I'll let you know when I'm offended or concerned.  If have concerned or alarmed you let me know - I'll turn the "heat" down.  I'll turn it all the way off.

Part of me agrees with you, but looking beyond that I have to disagree.

I think you are completely correct, people are generally mundane, lazy, and don't really care as long as it doesn't affect their happiness. Hence, the government has been able to do what they have done because they chipped away little by little and since what the government was doing didn't affect me, I was fine. (This same thing happened in Germany, first they came for the Jews and no one spoke up, then the next group, and the next group...)

The reason I have to disagree that we are approaching a tipping point is that the balance is about to dramatically change. The country is approaching the point where there are more takers than givers. The system that has been put in place is approaching a breaking point and even for those that have given their entire career, they are finding the system can't produce what it has promised (look at public retired employees from Detroit). When this balancing occurs, I believe things will get violent at that point. Once you have nothing to lose, then things change.

Dave pointed out that in our nation, we have a large amount of firearms which changes the dynamics compared to other places. Although, failure to fight for ones rights, this can be changed too, Germany had good gun rights before the take over of the Nazi party and then those rights were taken in the name of safety/security.

I hope I'm wrong. I would love for life to go along just the way it has been. Life has been good to me and my family. As much fun as it is to think, talk, and prepare for events, we like are nice comfortable life. I really don't want to have to worry about where my next meal is coming from or if it is safe for me to try to get to store. Yet, I'm concerned that we are heading down a path that is going to bring about the very things I don't want to see because we have allowed and relied on a system that can't provide what it has promised, which no government can. Unfortunately, there seems to be a growing group of takers that believe that with change the government can provide them with all there needs and history shows us over and over again, that isn't true.

Final note, I don't mind disagreements (that is how you learn) and my goal isn't to offend. I due tread carefully around religious debates because they can become very intense quickly because they are very personal and my faith is very important to me. I try to avoid much debate on religious topics, not because I don't like debating about them, I avoid them because I become so passionate about the topic and can offend. Again, my goal isn't to offend, but to learn and to respectfully disagree.
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#20
“And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:3-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Without Biblical worldview, we're missing the point entirely. The heart of man is desperately wicked. As long as evil exists, it will continue to pursue domination. Hence the father of evil attempted to dominate Heaven itself. The devil has had opportunity to take leaders and some countries. But never the entire world. God has destroyed his dominance every time. Life only continues on through the Lord Jesus Christ.

“To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭3:1, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Yes, there is a cycle.
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